Cross & Daredevil: Are Second Seasons Just As Good As The First?

Why was it difficult to root against the villainess from season 2 of Alex Cross?
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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to the Three Hoke Hoggets Podcast. We're your host, Kareemah Hanif. Today we're going to discuss a few things. We're going to go through TV. So we're going to discuss the season finale of Cross, where we are so far in the second season of Daredevil, amongst other shows. We're also going to tap into some recently movies that are released on streaming that you may want to skip going to the theaters and check it out online. As well as anime/slash live action. So one piece, the first the second season is done. We'll tap into that and much more. So let's jump right into television. So Cross is season two, um, finished a few weeks ago. Have us have our time to know to uh consume it, uh dissect it, figure out what we liked, what we didn't like about it. I know Kay didn't see it. Uh Kareem, you saw season all of season two. What was your takeaway on season two? Did you think it uh did better than season one? Uh left you wanting more, or you know, you're good.

SPEAKER_07 0:57

Um, I think I don't know, it's tough to say if it's better than season one. Um I would say I think in in some ways, um, season one was more of a cliffhanger, um in the sense of like the focus on the stories, who was really going on. Um, season two is more like we're we're along for the ride, um, watching someone's plan play out. Um, and even though I I like how they tie the actions of the individuals committing the murders um to you know the folklore and the myths, and I think it did an excellent job doing that. There wasn't as much of a suspense as to who was doing what. Um in terms of the actions they were taking, um, it was kind of hard to root against them. Um, I to be honest with you. I didn't I didn't find myself actually rooting against them at all. The only time I didn't want them to succeed is when you know they tried to kill Cross. Um, but any other time, like, oh, well, things happened. Um, or you know, is she really wrong or is he really wrong? Um, and then the more I saw people helping them along the way, which I thought was an interesting touch, where you know you have basically um common folk, so to speak. Um people would be overlooked um in terms of like the elites that they were targeting. Um they found a common cause and they were helping them come and go, and that was also part of helping them, you know, elude the authorities. Um, but I I do think season two started out a little bit slower. Um the first episode was pretty fast. Then it got a little bit slower because it started focusing them more on the romantic relationships. Um and so even though I think it's it's good to develop characters, I think it just kind of started dragging. Um uh where it was like, well, are we gonna get to the mysteries? We're gonna get to more murders or what? But I would say the last three episodes, um, the pace really quickened. Um, and so even though there wasn't much of a mystery, there was uh, you know, concepts as to who would get who would be next and how would they get there. Right. That me was uh the fun aspect to watch, so to speak, because again, I wasn't rooting against them at this point in time.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Um they they had they had good motives, uh, I think uh for for why, you know, these these uh for those who didn't see it, pretty much is no, it felt like it took a snapshot out of a current reality. You know, these this big um uh food producer, think of it as I don't know, uh whatever, Tyson chicken or whatever. It's basically a you know chicken farm uh company that know has hands in everything. Like they so big that they influence the local county judges and and cops to work on their side and they help trafficking uh minors and illegal, um, I hate saying illegal, but um immigrants uh that don't have the papers and they have them working at the facilities. If they get hurt or injured, they just kill them and bury them out back and just get more people, usually children uh from across the border. Um, and so the main character, one of the main the main villainists, anyway, was you know, her mother was someone who was looking after these people and they silenced her. And so she's out for revenge. She's trying to take out everyone, no, cut the head off the snake and everyone, uh everyone below them. Um, so yeah, I'm rooting for her as well. Like, you know, you you can't be doing this. No, there's and but at the same time, you know, Alex Cross is coming in, like, no, there's there's rules and regulations. You can't be the punisher out here just killing people because they you know avenging your your slain mother and family members and things. Um, so yeah, I agree, Kream. Like, yeah, you're rooting for them, but at the same time, it's like there's a process here, but you know that but then I like how it ended with no um uh uh cross realizing that the system is so corrupt that it's difficult for you to fight the system while you're still being a part of the system, yeah. So he resigns, you know, he he becomes a um but they didn't show it in the in the thing, but eventually he but he basically he he becomes his own um uh he opens up his own. Well not a private investigator, he's he has like a doctorate and PhD, you know, like he's super smart, so he he becomes his own, he uh he has his own therapy, uh therapy. He becomes a therapist. I'm sorry, therapy session, but he becomes a therapist, so he talks to people, whatever. So once in a while the FBI will call him to work a major case because he's it becomes like a consultant kind of thing. So he starts working on major crimes with uh uh Kyle Craig in the book, uh instead of Kyla Craig in the in the TV show. So this whole guy, Bobby, never exists inside the uh he's just an agent of chaos to move the storyline along. Yeah, there's never a Bobby inside the the book so far, um unless 20 books in, you know, there's a bobby shows up, but there has there was no Bobby in the um uh the early own set of the books. But I liked Kyle Craig in the books because he was more of a um he but he's an ally but then becomes a nemesis of of uh of odds cross. He's like um I would say the joke, the Joker's Joker and Batman is like they're nemesis, but Joker's like way. I mean, I think eventually Kyle Craig becomes like a Joker, like it's just you're doing some so much stuff that's unhinged, like I guess. I mean, because they uh I mean if I don't know if you're gonna read the books or not, but it's I mean there's so there's so much stuff that Kyle Craig does that it's like what what is happening here? Like you're not even like at some point you gotta pull him up, like he's off the way off the reservation here. Like he's doing so much stuff, but I mean, every book uh in the series is always some kind of criminal mastermind from within the country or outside the country. Like there's even a book where uh Alice Cross is in Africa, he goes to Africa and he's no the Africans, like, no, you an American, you're not really, you know, you're not really black. You you know, you're an American. Like we teach you, we you you come into our country talking all greasy, or they're beating his ass up or whatever. He's all beat up inside the prison. It's like it's like it's like you know, Alice Cross going across the globe. You know, he's uh some episode one book he's in the Caribbean. Um, you know, some episodes, some books he's obviously like he's on the West Coast. Uh he's I mean he's he's all over the United States. Like he is, I mean the books are good. So I'm um honestly, I would like to see some of the Alex Cross books come to life. Um, just because I'm greeting, I want to see how they how these characters look and and and react to one another on the big screen, but um I felt like season one hit all all the marks. Season two was like, okay, well, we're gonna try to do even bigger and better, or the you know, car chase scene in the Capitol. Um, uh to me, it's too much uh sex scenes. Like you can you can allude to it, I don't need to see it. Like, I don't need to see Bobby in the banana hammock, I don't need to see Alex and uh uh uh the lady with the black woman with the short hair, his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend going at it, or or even Samson and his girlfriend, like it you just you just it's filler time, it's this is what it is. You just you know, this could have been the Amazon commercial. You know, we cut the break and and go to something. Um I'm looking forward to season three. Uh just has it been confirmed that there's a season three? I'd be honestly, I'd be surprised if they cut they cut it off because I think season two did pretty pretty really well. Um but uh yeah, I think season two did well. Uh, I'd like to see a season three probably comes out next year. Uh just you know focus on the characters. Um the kids are just there. I mean, those those kids are just filler. They're like, oh, how's how school? Oh, okay. See you later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:49

Five episodes later. Oh, yeah, yes, kids. I forgot all about that. Yeah, yeah. Like I was um which book was it?

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Like, I think it's like book three or four, where there's like um a kid uh gets killed, like one of one of the like a little girl gets killed or whatever. Um, and that she was like a student at the school that the one of the kids go to or whatever at the time. So no, he's all so now the kids, so now the school is all nervous, and they know it's I think I think more than one something like a serious like he was killed, was killing children or whatever, and like they find them like hung in trees and all over places in the park. And they're like, these are certain students that were going to the school or schools in the area, so no schools are in lockdown and stuff, and out of course they're trying to find out who these who's this child killer and and all this kind of stuff. And um it was interesting. I mean, who who the killers are and stuff, but it was just like that's that's as much as much involvement as you get out of the seeing the children in the book. So you don't get a lot of screen time with them, you don't get a lot of book time with these kids. Like, oh, how's how's how's the kids? How's Nana Mama? Okay, I'm I'm in Michigan working on a crime, I'll see you when I get home.

SPEAKER_04 9:51

I was like, okay, okay, dude.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Um, but I enjoy it, you know. It's always good seeing Aldis Hajj on on the screen doing his thing. So uh looking forward to season three. Yeah, yeah. So from from one uh crime stopper to someone who is a crime stopper with superpowers, uh season two of Daredevil uh began um what two weeks ago? Because I think this is episode four. I think they're episode four. I think the first beginning of season two, I think they pumped out two episodes. So this might be this might be week three. So I think three week is it's in one new episode. Um it's a little slow paced. Uh I mean, I don't need it to finish up quickly, but I feel like it's still where we were in the last season. No, Kingpin's got his ice agents or anti-villain task force, AVTF, out there. But they're pretty much it's like a watching reality, like they're just they're just grabbing people up off the street, disappearing them into these warehouses in Red Hook. Um, we haven't seen Punisher yet, but as we saw in the last season, Punisher is in one of those warehouses. He's gotta get out because no, he shows up inside of Spider-Man. So somewhere down the line, he's gotta get out. Maybe when the Heralds for Hire show up.

SPEAKER_07 11:10

Yeah. So I I I I I enjoyed the season so far more than season one. Um, but I'm not saying season one was bad. I'm saying this season two is is building on season one perfectly right now. Um, so even in terms of the the Punisher Um or any other crossover um that we know may happen. Um I think this is finally striking that right core between TV shows and hey, will this affect the overall MCU when it comes to the actual movies coming up? Um without it influencing the show to the point where you just like, okay, I'm just waiting for the time to happen. Um and I I think the end of episode four, uh there's just so many theories out there right now. So I know we we talked we talked about this um last year at one point, where there are certain storylines um that took place and Luke Cage and so on and so forth. So I think I have an idea of why the defenders are back, um, or will ultimately be back. Um because everything is going to affect everyone in New York right now. Um the kingpin will be out of control. We know that. We know that's going to happen.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

Well, because I think because of what happened in this last episode where Vanessa gets uh uh I don't know if she's dead or not, but she gets injured. I'm sure she's she she's done.

SPEAKER_07 12:34

Um and it's a fixed point. Exactly, it's a fixed point. So it's it's a it's a canon event, so it she has to die somehow. I mean, and this is how they decided to do that in in the show. Um, but I don't know if you even saw like the the the watcher image, you know, and uh oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

Actually, let me let me let me know.

SPEAKER_07 12:58

This is like a very pivotal moment, and you know, obviously they're not gonna tie everything into the comic books, but this is a storyline that did become so big, like with the Kingpin being the mayor of New York, um, that it did affect literally every single superhero. So I think this may even tie into the Punisher, you know, special that's coming up. It may even tie into Spider-Man Brand New Day. And we probably don't even know why the defenders have to get together. But I can't just see the defenders becoming a team again just to deal with, you know, the King Ice agents. I can't see that. I I think it's gonna escalate um the rest of the season. Uh and you know, we have you know little hints of the White Tiger already. Um, she doesn't have a costume, but I'm sure that'll come up at some point down the line. If not in this show, then maybe in another show. So I I can't wait to see what happens in episode five. Um, but I I I'm excited about this storyline because I did love it in the comic books. Um, even when Luke Cage becomes, um, we know his daughter and Jessica Jones' daughter is going to be in the series, um, at least by name. Um, so I do think that they're finding the right chord between the TV show and how this ties into their great events, but I feel like all you're doing is watching filler until the next movie or the next big event takes place. Um bullseye, I just oh my god. He's like he's like the villain you root for, but you also kind of hate, but then you don't because it's like he's doing what the daredevil should be doing, but you know, it's just it's complicated with him, but but he's killing that role, I have to say. They have some really great acting this season.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Um and and Daredevil, like you said, I get with Daredevil, he doesn't, he's like the Batman, like he doesn't want to kill people, but some people like the way of the show is these these bad guys are they have no problem taking you out, not just oh, we're just gonna rush you, they're looking to kill you. So uh no, let let bullseye do a little bit. No, you get him on a type uh loot loosen his leash a little bit, but he's taking out some decent people. Yeah, let him work, let him work. No, I don't I don't have a problem with him doing what he's doing. Yeah, um, but yeah, I I enjoyed the their banter as well as their fights because you know they're using the environment. I just like seeing the way that they uh film it with him. Uh the most recent one, he's fighting inside the apartment. He took out the CD, used the CD like a ninja, stuff like that. Some of his moves because he can sense those things. It's it's enjoying it's I really like the way they film uh a lot of the fight scenes, you know. It's kudos to them and and their stunt uh coordinator. Um, but I didn't just put up the image for the watcher because I went on immediately after the episode, and they confirm that this is supposed to be like the watcher. I mean, even though it's it's lights from inside the uh the boxing ring.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yeah, but like that's like his ear.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Like you can see, so it's like the first time we actually see a live action. Uh uh his essence or uh you know a portion of him inside this reality. Uh so I thought that was cool. Um, but yeah, Daredevil. Um, you know, just slowly waiting to see Luke Cage. I'm slowly waiting to see Jessica Jones on this because I think once they show up, that's when stuff like it's or stuff has hit the fan. Like they got, you know, you gotta call in the the um the cavalry kind of thing. Like you can't do this alone.

SPEAKER_07 16:32

And you gotta bring in you know Kareem's favorite guy, Iron Fist, to like I you know, sometimes I want to give like the benefit of the doubt and say, hey, maybe it'll be good, but this is one that I'm not gonna believe until I see it. Like I'm not I have no expectations as to what Iron Fist is gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

You know, maybe they put him in a chair again, and and you know, he won't be seen for a few episodes, but it it is I mean, there's literally only one, just what one, two, three, four, five episodes left. That's a lot, that's a lot. Yeah, I'm sorry, four episodes the 14th, the 21st, the 28th, and the 5th. So a lot, so I have to show.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Like I said, you're still gonna. Um I like to believe that eventually we're gonna see the white tiger get some kind of I mean, she's got the uh the medallion on. She hasn't shown her powers, but she just you know, she choose used her uncle's knives. Maybe she'll get eventually get a mask, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Well, if you look, so I'll I'm only going by um IMDB. From the IMDB images, you clearly see that Jessica Jones shows up in seeds in episode six. Okay, like I don't know if that's the first time you see her, but like, so she might show up in episode next this week's episode, but she might, but it literally you see her in the promo picture for the sit for Requiem. Yeah, so I don't know. At least, you know, maybe the grand design will have okay. So you figure episode five will probably have um of the Punisher, strictly because like I would hate, I would hope to think, I would hope that they would not try to throw all of them in one episode, because that would be I'm not gonna say trash, but like that'd be too much going on.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Like, why we last we saw Punisher is locked up in a cage. Uh, I thought we was honestly, I thought we were gonna see him in this episode when he's when Daredevil goes or try to break people out. I thought we was gonna at least see him inside of a cage, like oh oh hey Frank, I'll be right back, or whatever. You know, Frank, I could get out. No, just lock the door for me. You know, I got I could do the rest myself, and that's it. That's all we see from him as a cameo. But um, I think once you have him on the screen, you're gonna it's uh it's gotta be a whole scene with him. You can't just like okay, hey Frank, what's going on? Oh nothing. I'm just sitting here copping a squat in this cage, no mind me. Like, it's gotta be a whole scene.

SPEAKER_07 19:08

I don't think he's gonna be in this season. I think they they changed that, and and they they're gonna be focusing more on his one shot. Um, because he did get out the end of season one.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Um, I thought he was still locked in. I thought he was still locked in. I can't.

SPEAKER_07 19:21

No, he had the the he took what was it, one of the agents, because it was like, you know, we admire you or something, and he was able to get free.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

Oh, so he got him close. Okay, yeah, okay. I forgot, I totally forgot about that.

SPEAKER_07 19:32

But I think it's it's gonna just be his one shot, and so that's why I think this is gonna probably spill out, spill over into at least the next couple of you know, Marvel projects this year. You know, we have the Punisher coming out right after, and then the Spider-Man movie, which we know the Punisher is in that. Yeah, we know Punisher's in that.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Now, and I think maybe I feel like maybe Daredevil and Punisher is gonna be that that scene that you see uh Spider-Man going towards the hand.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

I feel like there's gonna exactly I feel like Daredevil's in there somewhere, like he's yeah, gonna have a and even that it could be maybe the Kingpin is trying to find a way to bring her back, and you know, the hand they have there, you know, mysticism and their you know, the beef and all of that. So maybe that ties in together.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

Um, this is like the um uh the Miles Morales Spider-Man thing into Spider-Verse, but he made that whole contraption to get wasn't his wife that he's trying to bring his wife back, yeah. He's trying to bring his wife back, so it's the same thing. Like I'm gonna find some find this facility, I'm gonna know find a uh no Dr. Oct, uh no, just uh help me bring this uh bring my wife back.

SPEAKER_07 20:37

Yeah, and then again the watch here was there, so you know it's a significant event.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Yep, yep. So that had she you know, this she has to die in order for something else to take place. So yeah, didn't die. If she listened, more of the story is man tell you not to come out. Let me tell let me tap into my red pill podcast. I'm not co-signing now.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

You gotta listen to your man. See what happens.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

No one is co-signed in at all.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

She got a hard head, she don't listen. See, yeah, you won't what to do.

SPEAKER_07 21:17

She should have ducked, though. She should have she saw the glass, she should have ducked now. But see, the thing is he wouldn't even be free if it wasn't for her. He he would have been locked up somewhere. It was her who got him out so that she could take revenge on Matt Murdock. So she she she's the one, she's the only one who's at all.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

She almost got it. Actually, no, she did shoot him. She did shoot and hit uh Daredevil 2. She's like, get off me guards. Yeah, shot him. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. But uh it's it's it's unfortunate, but um, no. Hey, if Foggy had to die, you gotta get it. No, she's gotta die too. You can't kill Foggy. Foggy was nice, like, why'd you kill? Another patron, but you you killed Poggy. Yeah, yeah. But um, what else is? I was actually surprised that you gave some decent screen time to this uh was it the swordmaster as well? That was pretty cool. Um and Kirsten, uh the lawyer. Oh nice to see her know getting her uh her legal joust in uh with the opposing counsel. I'm not sure. I don't follow Daredevil comics enough to see if she's gonna have a bigger presence. Um like will she eventually know that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil? I feel like she knows has it like she she probably has a gut feeling that it that he is Daredevil, but it's like why I'm bringing this while I bring this conversation about a man is missing, yeah. China, kind of what else is there popping on TV stream? Oh no, no, live action. We're gonna switch over to anime, live action. We finished uh Kream and I finished uh uh one of the best animes in in all of history. One piece. Um, I'm actually in uh actually enjoying the live action. Um, I'm still in their mid 400s in regards to watching the animated series, so that which is no way, way, way far away from where we currently are. So I don't know what's going on in the current thing, but live action, um, like Kareem said offline is like no, it uh just as it starts to get interesting, the season's over. Like it's only eight episodes. Um they don't they push the storyline along far enough where I think that the eight episodes cover about 30 actual anime episodes, one or at least one or two story arcs. But just as it's getting good, it's like we know see us next year or see us in 2028. And it's like, come on. Yeah, you said you're in episode 400. I'm in 40. Actually, let me look at my Netflix. I'll tell you exactly what episode. I'm in I'm in the um the arc when they're trying to break out uh Ace. Ace is locked up in prison, and Luffy's trying to break him out. So I'm I'm I'm on episode uh let's see, episode info 439. I'm on episode 439. So you are I just finished the Isle of Women, uh, which was that's where you got introduced to Boa Hancock, the character that no Megas, the Stallion always cosplays as. Um, so we got introduced to her, her love beam uh ability. She's supposed to be like the most beautiful pirate ever. Everyone, all the men just fawn over, just oh so you're back in February 21st of 2010. Yeah, I'm I'm tired of that.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

That's how far that's how much more you have to go.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

So 16 years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

I do at least four or five episodes a day easily. No, it's no, so each episode is about 20 something minutes. I can skip the intro. Ooh, I can skip the recap and then go right into the episode. Um, there are some fillers, and I just skipped right over those. I think it was two or three fillers in the story arc where they went back in time. There was like it was in the Edo period, whatever, and I was like, Yeah, this has nothing to do with the storyline. Skip, skip, went right back to it. But um, no, the season two, uh, it covers the introduction to Chopper. Um, it hints at well, it does uh introduce you to the Baroque Works uh villains as well. Um The Giant Island, and it hinted at Crocodile at the end, which is gonna be interesting for season three.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

I'm curious how they're actually gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

The crocodile?

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Well, they already have him casted. I mean that's to me, that's could be a whole uh season there with him with them going to uh uh I forgot the name of the island, but going to the island. Huh? Alabaster, alabaster, yeah. Which is weird because they call it Alabaster, but yet it's not white. It looks like Morocco, like it's not Alabaster, but hey, it's what they think Alabaster is, leave it alone. Yeah, yeah. So I mean it's the casting is great. I love Chopper. Um seeing him in that little the big hat. It's like honestly, he's like Groot. Like if the fans of Gardens of the Galaxy, the movie, enjoyed watching Groot and Baby Groot on TV, they'll enjoy watching Chopper and this. Like, let's imagine you know, Groot being able to actually talk. Yeah, like they have a whole episode dedicated. Yeah, he talks, he fights, he just doesn't speak in English. Well, Groot, oh Groot is like Chewbacca, yeah. He's he speaks he speaks Grootinese or whatever that that uh got the language of the plant people, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:37

So I I enjoy season two as well. Um, I enjoyed every new character introduction. Um and and throughout the season, whenever they did introduce a new character and they covered some of their backstory, like I felt myself drawn into their backstory. Um, it was really good, it was either touching, it was either sad, or it was like, you know, hey, what's going on? At one point, I'm like, wait, why am I getting choked up over Rain D? Um but I but to me that's how good it felt like in terms of like the writing and the character development and even the backstory. Um, so I did enjoy that. I did enjoy how they're they're fighting it for the people, even you know, the the whale. It's like I felt for that. It's like you you enjoy the season. Um, so my my criticism of season two isn't about the acting. Um, it's not about the action, it's not about the time spent on the character development because I feel like that was necessary. My issue is me being an old man on my porch yelling about the streaming model that exists right now. Because why does it have to be eight episodes? Because as soon as it gets into Luffy, like, you know, he's starting to take the lead again, where he's getting ready to go, and it's like the season is now over. You got introduced to all these new characters. Um, they get to a point where you're like, yes, this is what I loved about season one, destroy house, we're rooting for them, and it's like, yeah, you gotta wait, you know, however many more years. I think they said next year is coming back now. But I I'm tired of these eight-episode seasons. Um, some things can be eight episodes, but you have an anime that does not have a lack of materials. I mean, there are over a thousand episodes to cover only 30 episodes in an eight-episode season where they're now charging you almost $30 a month. Um, they have to give more episodes than that. Um, this is something where I would have felt like it would be perfect for having like even a 16 episode. And I get it, this budget can change, but everything can't be that expensive um when they're making profit upon profit.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Um well, one thing, um, we can talk about this. I'm not sure if you watch the C uh the TV Hulu series Paradise, but Sutherland King Brown had mentioned had uh mentioned the model for streaming versus no regular television. Where television you can have 12 and 16 and 20 episode seasons, 20 episode uh a season like Law and Order is because you have advertisement, you have commercials on Law and Order, you have commercials on Abbott Elementary. Uh so those advertising dollars pay for the budget, so that allows them to have multiple episodes. Whereas Netflix, they get one budget or Hulu, you get one budget for this season. So you can only really do a small amount because you can try to do squeeze in 10, 12, 13 episodes for a season, but that they give you one lump sum. You're not gonna get advertising dollars to kind of compensate the the project in between each episode, unfortunately. So unless they go without a let's say go with a model that says uh no commercialist viewings, or everything's gonna have commercials, then it's back to paying cable where we just like just put it back all, just put it all back on cable, one one fee, $69.99 a month. Get all the channels, get all the streaming you want, but it's gonna have commercials. I'm fine with it. I agree with you, Kareem. But I'm paying you know $29 or $24 for Netflix. I got Peacock, we got Paramount, we got um uh uh well HBO is with Hulu now. So I mean you have four and five things, and if you have Apple TV, that's another thing. You got uh M AMC Plus, you got uh MGM Plus, you got Amazon Prime, like there's probably a Brit box. Well, I mean, is everything's got Peacock? There's there's 10 different streaming things, and each one is 15 bucks. You spend $150 on an entertainment when most of those shows only exist for half the year. How many people are actively suspending their accounts when they're not when their major show, their NCIS, their uh Law and Order that the Abbott Elementary is gone for the season? Most people don't, so then it is those streaming services just getting free money. Yeah, you just watch these reruns, that's fine. We'll we'll take your $15 this month.

SPEAKER_07 30:51

Yeah, um every streaming platform does have an ad tier now, so you you're paying them to not see ads while they're also getting advertising dollars. Double dipping it's just everything is about making more of a profit, and I get it. But I just feel like that in terms of giving people an experience, um, that's never the goal. And I get it, it's maybe it's naive to think that even cable or regular TV when they had 20 plus episodes, but that was the goal. But again, it's just there's a lot of material out there, the eight episodes, yeah. Um, and then waiting two, three years at a time for you know the next season. Something has to be done.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

Um well again, I agree. There's where where I am is still years ahead of where the TV show is, story-wise. So they're gonna have if they're gonna continue doing the series, uh, they're gonna have to be recasting these characters like this almost like the uh Mickey Mouse Club. Like every two years, they're gonna have here's a new Luffy, here's a new Sanji, here's a new because these people are gonna have eventually age out. You can't be have looking like me. I'm I'm I'm Usopp, like dude, you too old. You can't like like we're gonna have to change you out, we're gonna have to swap you out for someone new. Again, it's as if they're gonna keep doing a series, similar to the avatar live action on Netflix, where they're gonna have to recast Aang or something because that boy, he's he, unless they find a Gary Coleman like person who's got that uh uh disability where they don't grow, they look like a kid. You can't have Aang full on, you know, you still got this the five o'clock shadow talking about hey guys, we're gonna stop the Fire Nation, like my my man. I know you're not full on time to run for office now.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Like you, you know, your voice is all OD. Who took Romo? Oh god, was everybody up? Like, come on, you're not gonna have to eventually either speed up the series to get to the the climactic ending uh by eliminating some story arcs, or you're gonna have to recast people. People who I mean, unfortunately, that's what happens when you have young kids. You mean you can it's gonna look like Stranger Things, but Lucas, you know, you can tell he was just finished shaving, you put the wig on his head. Yeah, what are we doing? Does isn't I just going? I'd rather just watch an animated series. No, just but I mean if you're going from an animated series, I don't want to see you do another animated series of an animated series, and that's what One Piece is doing now. I heard that they um they're gonna be redoing the original episodes with the um the animation studio who did Attack on Titan. So you're gonna find so you may get better looking artwork because I think the animation for shorten it as well, I think they may shorten it, but I think uh to me, the while the story may be interesting, some of the artwork and way they drew these characters, it's on purpose, but they just look carnivalesque, they got big heads in 1999.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Stop it.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Um, human anatomy hasn't changed that far where your heads don't look that. I mean, come on, stop. Look at another uh look at uh uh uh Dragon Ball Z came out before '99, and they look the arms wasn't looking low, like no rubber man. People's heads ain't looking super huge. I think that's the thing with One Piece, so that's something that turns a lot of people off, besides for the long so many episodes, is that the artwork isn't always as attractive. It's just like you know, the features of people just look like it's misshapen. No, I can see Luffy being elongated because he's got the the the gum gum fruit, he's rubberized, but other people is like, what it's like a cartoon world, like um it reminds me of uh characters out of mad world kind of thing. Like it's just these weird-looking characters, you know, these insane looking stuff. Like I mean, that's the world of One Piece, but uh it does not for everybody, definitely because when it took me at least two or three chances, two or three tries to get into it. Like once I started watching, like this looks horrible. Start watching it, came back and was okay. Let me let me try it again. Damn, this guy Luffy's stupid. I can't watch it. And then I know I'm gonna sit through, I'm gonna sit through and watch these episodes, and I'm up to you know, again, up to episode 439. Um, not every sub episode is a hitter, and at least every episode there's someone weird looking, like there's like the the the the um the episode I just finished watching before we started. I think they took a page out of Rocky Horror Picture Show. So they they're inside they're inside a prison, they're in level five and a half, and apparently this is the the queer land. This was the the English translation, queer land. It's like this is the transvest and subtitles like transvestite land, transvestite land, and a legendary uh fixer in there who's a prisoner. Looks like um uh goddamn, who's this guy? Like Tim Curry's character for Rocky Hart. He's got purple hair, he's got a little crown, fishnet, uh stockings on, little little uh loincloth and a vest, and he's no on a microphone singing, and all other people got the little got them uh no fishnets on, and everyone's yeah, yeah, whatever. I forgot the character's name, but they're like, Oh, yeah, we're queer, yeah, we're queer. Like, this is inside a prison.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

Underground, yeah, well, why not?

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Okay, like they have. I mean, it each level is a whole different world, like the like one level was no basically just they were starving people to death. Like it was just like a desert land. Level below that is like everyone's freezing to death, and then level below that, five level five and a half is the queer land where they were just having a good old time. He's like, Called it a paradise in prison. Like, that's what he said. It's a paradise in prison.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

You be who you wanna be. It's transvestite land, like, okay, all right, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

We're still trying to get to Ace. Yeah, yeah. So in my head, I'm like, I gotta see what this is gonna look like in the live action. This is gonna be a hot mess. This is gonna be so sad.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

They're not gonna make it that far. Yeah, to be honest, they're not make they're not making it that far for the live action, like it will be canceled, it will more likely be canceled before it even gets to that to that level. Yeah, because like as more like like you said, as it goes on, like the people the characters look more and more fantastical, is the word I would use. Um but like so because they're starting to look more and more fantastic, like your budget can't keep up with that. Like, there's there's at most, I think the furthest they might get I see the characters look like a fifth element.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

That's what they look like. The characters out of fifth element is what what the people for one piece look like. It's like colorful, uh odd odd attires. Um, I could see them finishing the alabasta arc.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

I think maybe at most they might get to escape the marine forest, like um arc number seven, like season seven. That might be as far as they go.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

So then so not so not thrill apart, they won't even get to thriller part because they know I mean that's when you well, you saw Brooke. Brooke was the black guy playing the violin uh when you saw the whale in season two, but to see him as the skeleton is when you you you don't you get to introduce him and thriller part, which is well after so yeah, because Nico Robin hasn't joined their crew yet either. Yeah, she joins their crew after um the Alabasta arc.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

That's they're gonna have to potentially then make the next one.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

They're gonna have to join some arcs together, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Like Alabas, in order for them to even make it to the far, they're gonna have to do Alabasta and Dreams as one art, as one season, and then maybe Sky Island. Yeah, like I don't know. Sky Island was a long one. Sky Island was like and that's gonna be the thing. Like, that's the 52 episodes in Sky Island, like that's gonna be a problem. Like I sat through that. You'll be fine, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

I mean, and again, you you'd have they have to really abbreviate these in order to make it coherent because no one's gonna sit through an entire um you know 50 episode. No, 50 episodes is more than what you got from um Stranger Things, no. So it's like uh yeah, they I agree. They're gonna have to either cancel it and just say no, you on to the no next island. That's the way the live action ends. You if you want to know more, watch the watch one piece of live action the the cartoon, the anime.

SPEAKER_07 39:02

I think so. Next season is is titled The Battle of Alabaster, and that comes like one season, so they may condense everything in one season. Um, but I don't know what comes after that. But I just know I I immediately looked up like is there season three? Again, we know these streamer services are notorious for taking forever with a show and then canceling it. Um that's so if they do 30 episodes a season, after 10 years, you're only 300 episodes in. That's like what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah, it's so much it's so much content. Like, I feel like you it's one of these shows where you you want and I can see you wanting to finish it, but this the series itself isn't finished. So I think the best way to do it is stop at a major point, like when it like uh, I'm not sure where, um, but because I haven't gotten to the point where they where they did a time skip or anything like that. So they gotta stop somewhere and just like this is this is where we end. And you know, the more, you know, look up, you know, go to Crunchyroll or go to Netflix and finish watching the lot the uh animated series. But um I enjoy it. Uh, for those who people who've never watched uh anime, I think it's watching the live action is a good way to absorb what's happened so far in the show. Like you don't have to worry about filler, you just this is it and take it, take it for for face value because there's a lot more crazy stuff that happens in the show the uh the in the anime than it does in a live action show.

SPEAKER_07 40:32

Yeah, so I do recommend it. Uh again, I haven't watched the anime. I wish I started it when it was on air, but I was just like, um, there's other stuff I would rather watch. Um but I love the live action, but it's just we got to episode eight, and in the end, I'm like, come on, something has to get because it's we need more of this, like we need more live action one piece. Um it's too enjoyable to have it so short. And again, I know that's a streaming model, but there's a lot of content out there that they can cover already. They could have combined this with the Battle of Alabaster into one season.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

True, true.

SPEAKER_07 41:11

Well, I don't know if they would though.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

The smartest thing for them to be would to be just Alabaster's 38 episodes, the one after that is 13. Combine though, like they're gonna have to start combining like two to three two to three arcs in one season if they're gonna keep doing just eight episodes, or even if they did 10 episodes, they're still gonna have to do more if they even want to, before I hate saying age out, but before the actors sort of like age out of the roles they can play. Like the good thing is all actors are adults now, so like their their their faces shouldn't change much, their bodies shouldn't change much.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Um how Luffy character is he in his 20s, or he's like uh uh like 18 or so? The actor, yeah. Um I think the other actors are are in their 20s.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Um so their uh can oh it's giving me the the freaking English the cartoon version. Um yeah, so he should be fine for like another five years, potentially. So he may be good for that time period, um, because he's still gonna look fairly young unless you know something happened, yeah. Basically, unless he pulls a mark camel. Um wow, damn. Uh we have to go there. Uh look, Mark Camel looked and then he didn't.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

Right, he had an accident there, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:53

So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

It's not like I'm I'm not saying so if so if he has an accident, then he may not be.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Right. So long as nothing happens to this, to this young to the young man, he should be fine. The young man.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

I mean, thank thanks a lot. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

But no, it's kind of like that's the thing, like they're for they're luckier than the than the um Stranger Things the Avatar people. Uh and even the Stranger Things people, like, and I know like the the show, the season, like they have to be looking at it like we cannot have a repeat with Stranger Things because when you're using younger people, at least again, he started at like what 18? If he's 22 now, yes, like it's easier for him to do that. Although it does only say that they're oh they're as it stands right now, it's like 2023 to 2027. So potentially they may only have like one more season contracted.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Possibly, yeah. And I think looking back at Stranger Things and talking about the ages of kids, I feel like they didn't anticipate how popular the reaction of. The audience was for the show. So they kept, no, let's do another season. Let's do another season. Let's do another season. Not that you not that say season one ended. Well, season one ended where technically it could have just ended right there. They added a second season. That was just even more popular. So let's go deeper into the uh you know the uh the sign, the what's it, the facility or whatever, and um and then well, that's a good season that we're gonna end it on a on a cliffhanger. So we we're building out the world, but the kids are still getting older and it's taking y'all longer to write and get this stuff ready for film. Meanwhile, the kids are still growing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

You can't keep playing 13, 14. I mean, how many people are Bianca Lawson where they can be like a 15-year-old and they're being like they're and they're danger in their 30s? Like, that's not most actors, yeah, yeah, true, true. And so, like, I don't know how old Luffy's supposed to be technically in the in the cartoon either.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

So he's um he's a he's uh like 14, 15. Like he's not he's not an old, he's not like um he's not an adult. Yeah, he's not an adult. He definitely has a child, he definitely has a child's mind because um, you know, when he he's in the island of woman or whatever, like they all know who's they've never seen a man before, so it's it's it's a part where this guy he know Luffy he eats anything, so he ate some poison mushroom, and the poison mushroom makes mushrooms grow all over your body. So he passes out from the poison. Women come upon him, they think it's a woman. Oh, who's this lady? We've never seen her in the village before. She's got the poison mushrooms. Let's pull the mushrooms off her. So they pull them all the mushrooms off his body, they take his pants off. He's still got one more mushroom left.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

I've never seen this type of mushroom before, it's not coming off. I'm like, I know the F you ain't doing this on anime.

SPEAKER_07 45:57

I mean, obviously, they didn't show it, but I was doing it over 18 and it's not coming off.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

So they they call it the the lady giant.

SPEAKER_04 46:04

Lady giant comes walking over, she's like, I can't pull this off either, it's not coming off.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

I'm like, no. Normally when it's this kind of poison on you, you have to burn it off. So she sets him on fire.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

He wakes up, he's like, Ah, I said, What are you doing? Like you're trying to burn me.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

And suddenly they realize um he's a man, so they lock him up. It's like we've never seen a man before. They they lock him inside of a cage or whatever. And so he wakes up, he's he's naked, and he's all he can say, all he's caring about is his hat, and the ladies write notes. Men care more about their hat than you know than the rest of their body being exposed to the air. Writing this notes down. No, he put his arm through the through the through the uh the cage into the package. All men's arms are extremely long, like they've never seen a man before. And then it's like, um, excuse me, sir, what's that?

SPEAKER_04 46:58

What'd she say? What's that sack sewn between your legs? He said, Oh, this these are my family jewels. He said, I can't go anywhere without these. It's like, oh, can we see the jewels?

SPEAKER_03 47:15

So if you want to laugh, episode I think 407 407 408 is like this is like, yeah. If if Sanji was on this island, he would have been like, This is paradise. All these beautiful women. I'd have like, you know, never seen a man before, he'd have been like, Oh ladies, no, no, anime style, but Luffy's just like, I just gotta get off this island to go, I gotta go rescue my friends. No, I gotta find food, I gotta find my clothes, you know, I gotta get off this island. Oh, whatever. And so since he's not impressed by Boa Hancock, she's automatically smitten. A man who doesn't who doesn't find who doesn't uh who uh like doesn't fall uh victim to my love beam. Oh, I have must have him. So he's just like, I don't leave him. Just give me some food. He's calling her like I think her name is Hancock, he's calling her hammock, or whatever. Like, he doesn't even know her name. She's just like, Oh Luffy, oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 48:03

Like, ma'am, he's a child, he's a child, ma'am. You're growing adult. But the fact is like, what mushroom is this? I'm like, you're like, I know you ain't doing this under your mind.

SPEAKER_03 48:21

That that's the goofiness of one piece. So if you once in a while you get an episode that's like it'll make you laugh, like this is have y'all seen um jumping off of one piece, jumping off the anime, totally separate from this, but still on the streaming TV standpoint. Have you guys watched Paradise? Any of season two of Paradise? Not season two. Okay, y'all got homework. I you got you have you seen have you seen Paradise season one?

SPEAKER_04 48:45

Yeah, no, what I've never heard of the show.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

It's not it's not on Brit Box, I understand. So please watch season two of Paradise. It's it's like um I mean the first season, like when you find out they have a whole society living under uh the a mountain in the middle of Colorado. This one season two is just like I don't know, like it's it's one of these things like I'm hoping they don't jump the shark and turn into something like loss, but it's so much at the end of the season, like you don't know who the bad guy is. Are we time traveling? Is this reality? Like it's it's all kind of stuff that happens that they don't really solidify. This is what you're seeing. Oh, it's like it's like um season one ended with uh uh you know um Sterling King Brown looking for his wife. He finds out you know his wife may still be alive outside the bunker. So his adventures I'm gonna leave my kids behind in the bunker with everyone else, the security and stuff. I'm gonna go look for my wife. She was in Atlanta, I'm in Colorado, I'm gonna try to find my wife. So it's his nice. So you watch his path, his journey towards going to the Southeast. It's like watching Walking Dead, like it's a post-apocalyptic. I'm interacting with people who survived the uh the apocalypse. Um, you know, trying to make do, trying to find my wife. Like I if I can find my wife, I can bring her back to my people in in Colorado. Meanwhile, stuff in Colorado isn't what it seems. Things aren't no aren't taken for face value. So definitely, I think next time if you can watch some of season two. Uh uh, Kay, I think if you got Hulu, if you need Hulu, let us know. We can uh assist you in your endeavors. Yeah, it should be available uh as region free. I think you should be, I think you should definitely watch it. I think Solan K. Brown did a great, great job in this uh uh show.

SPEAKER_07 50:44

Season one was excellent. So I did that season two sounds even crazier.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Yeah, yeah, it definitely is because we cares and I watched it, and we're just like, wait, if this happened, does that mean this? And like you only got to get the like the um the red string chart out. Like, what does this mean for this person? Yeah, because I didn't see this happen. Does that mean what I think it means? Is the time frame? Like, you don't there's there's so much stuff that either as a viewer you can guess, like you can throw your own theories out there, like, because no, this happened during the daytime, but it didn't show up until the evening time. So, is it really a time delay? Is that really the same person? Um, you know, what happened with this? What's the symbolism of seeing this on the screen? Uh from season one, I saw this, but now it's this way. So there's a lot of stuff, and uh, and they do bring back the president, so I'd like to see him in flashbacks. I did, I think it's James Marzin who played uh president season one. I like him as an actor, so uh he they show some more flashbacks of him. So I was like this. I it was nice to see him uh there as well. Yeah, I just had to throw that in that we were talking about TV and streaming. I was like, I'll be remiss if I don't, you know, definitely throw in some uh uh paradise into it. That was definitely a good show. There's nothing on TV like it right now, I think. So yeah, and last but not least, we have oh reality. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:10

But if we can call it reality, it's it's still more of a dream world. Um but uh the auto show, the New York City auto show at the Jabber Center. I finally returned to it after I don't even know how many years, but I would say at least 15. Um 15, yeah, at least boy, at least.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Oh my gosh, you sir. I gotta I gotta look online. When's the last time I went? Let's see. Uh there was a vehicle that was that was supposed to come out that never came out that I thought was oh be 2000. 2000 is the last time I've been to the auto show.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

Wow, sir, that that's a problem.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Yeah, that is such a problem. Again, when I said offline, it's like as a New Yorker who I have in my own car, but before when I didn't have a car, and I was like, I would go into the auto show after while I was like, I get deject, like I see all these fancy cars, but one, I ain't got the money to buy nothing, so I'm just going back home on a bus and train. I was like, I don't go on these auto shows, spending money to go see these cars I ain't never gonna have. I'm not going back. I never that's so horrible.

SPEAKER_07 53:18

Yeah, but I but I did love going to it growing up. Um, I admit that it was something I used to go every year. I don't know why I have to just, you know, I guess you just pick and choose what you go to. Um I do have to put an asterisk next to uh my visit this time because I did go with a five-year-old. And so my experience was limited um to what he may have been interested in seeing. So I would say that it I love the experience again. Um, so much so that we're absolutely going again next year. Um it's gonna be a little bit better planned. Um I'm gonna know what's in what area, um, what may be fun here, what may be fun there, and even exactly where the layout um exists in the Javis Center. Um and again to say, you know, the experience is a little bit different with a five-year-old. As soon as we get into the gate, um, just show the people the tickets, you know, they were joking with my son. Um, first car he sees, we didn't even get to the show floor area. The first car he sees, it's just a Honda. It's not like it's not just a you know, a fancy car, always a Honda SUV. It was nice, but he the doors were open, he wanted to go inside. He's like, wow, this is incredible. Because you know, they they have the different models that no, we don't have a Honda. Um, which is fine, but it's like, yeah, it's the sunroof, it's the screen, you know, we we have all of these different things. And I'm like, no, let's go inside. When you get inside, that's when you're gonna bull, you're gonna lose your mind. And um, and that's when he did lose his mind. So the experience for me was good. I got to see all types of you know, fancy cars like on the screen here. Um, I got to see a lot of custom cars, uh, Lamborghinis and Ferraris. Um, we got to see a couple of he calls them monster trucks, even though they weren't that big. Um every dealer has their own session, if we've never been, uh, where they're showing cars that you can purchase or cars that may just be concept cars. Um, so again, this is the layout. We went in through the Ford side first. Um, so it took a while to get all the way to the right. Um and so the Bentley areas, the Lamborghinis, the Ferrari, um, they're all just on the show floor. Um, obviously, you can't get into every car that's on the show floor, but a lot of the cars you can get into. Um, and even if you can't get into them, they have them set up where you can get some great pictures. Um, you can look at them, they have people at every booth, you know, they just go over, you know, the basics of what kind of a concept it is. Um and it is a lot of space. So if you only go to the Javis for New York Comic Con, um, you're gonna enjoy the fact that you can walk around a lot more freely. Um and you know, it's just not car enthusiasts, you have families going, you have, you know, people going with their friends just for the experience of it all. Um, and it is it is really enjoyable. Um on the lower level, they have mostly custom cars. Um so you have people who, you know, they they I guess they allowed a car show to use their cars to get them out there. Um, they did have sections that were just personal property. Um, they even had uh you know walkthrough, you know, the history of like New York City cars, um, old buses, old police cars. I took pictures of them. I'm like, yeah, I remember these back in the day. Um but they also had like a makeshift track um downstairs. And usually I guess that's where Q Hall is, um, where they have the photo ops as well. And they're I guess they were showing the different tires um because they had drivers with the companies. I don't know if you could get in those cars. Um we did watch them for a while, but they were just driving around that loop. Um, and they would show how fast they could go, how quickly they could turn.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

So it's like indoors, they had a track inside.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like you're watching Tokyo Drift.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Because yeah, those are generally the EV cars, they were allowed to do a money inside again. I've been many times.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

And so, like you the the the chart it's only for the EV cars to be inside, um, that that actually generally run. It is nice. You should you well in years past, you were able to get in the EV cars, and like you're you get to sit in there with them, um, because they're generally like showing you like what these new EVs are. Um, there was like an EV company, I think, in 2023 that was out of California, and they were showing you like you get in the car, you're on the track downstairs, and my issue was everything was touch screen, and you could watch stuff in the front and in the back, and they were like, we were thinking we also were trying to see like how we can do it so that we can also watch stuff on the screen on like the the the lower half of like the um your your windshield, no the front the front window, the window front window is the windshield, yeah. Yeah, the windshield, and I was like, that is a stupid idea, yeah. Because could right, and then like if everything is if everything is a screen, everything is digital. Also, I uh it's a whole other rant about how I miss knobs and keys and stuff like that. But I'm like, if all of this is there, you you as the driver, if you have like your passenger can be watching a video, the people in the back can be watching a video, all separate videos on the on these screens. There's no at some point you as the driver are going to be distracted, distracted, and I'm like, this is again, this is my whole technology issue. Like, I will have a rant about that, and I will probably not say that about this, but I'm like, those are like my issues. I'm like, how do you how are you building these vehicles with all the screens and stuff, and you're not factoring the fact that somebody's going to at some point take a call and it's gonna be a video call, and instead of paying attention, they're gonna look down. Or if let's say the passenger is watching, because you could you can watch YouTube and stuff on it, and like, okay, you can do that, or for and they're like, even streamers can like stream from the car. I forgot what company it is that that did it, and I'm glad I don't remember. But I'm like, I was like, that sounds scary, and like a recipe for an accident, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:48

No, people can't drive now, and you gotta add all that. But to be honest, if I'm driving and I hear certain scenes come on with Lord of the Rings, I'm gonna lose focus. I know that part, and we turn around a little bit, we had a red light, you know. So it does sound dangerous to me, you know, to have that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

It's like it's it's like the technology is great that it's going it we're going that far, but I'm just like at the same time, like look at what happened with the Waymo that just stopped. Like pe people when people pay attention to their cell phones now, instead of just like you know, riding, drive just instead of driving, like you again.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

It's a whole rant that I have when I when I when I went, I we add more uh distractions to our uh commute. Uh but right maybe there's gonna be a way to disable that, but I noticed with looking at the map, which unfortunately um none of the Chinese brand EV vehicles. I mean, I think it's illegal for them to be in America anyway. But if you ever go online and look at some of those Chinese uh uh electronic vehicles, BYD, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:59

So BYD used to come, huh? They can't so BYD was one of the vehicles like they weren't they didn't have like the full, like they were there. Yes, it was 2023, they were there, and I was like, Oh, when are you coming to America? and they're like, Well, we don't have plans to come to the US just yet. Then why are you showing your vehicle here, sir? Something like this the BY, like I was like, I'm not necessarily biggest, I like I was never like the biggest, oh, I was planning for that. I mean, that yeah, but I was like, I was like, I'm not gonna really get it by an EV vehicle. Like, I kind of like I like I like a key, I like burning petrol. I know that's horrible. But I was like, the the the BYD when they were there, I was like, Oh, yeah, actually, those cars are I mean, they have really great designs.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

I think they're working on um faster charging, so they they want to be able to have your cars charge as fast as you can fill up your your tank of gas, so you'd be in and out of whatever charging station you can get to. Yeah, if you um after this, you go on Google and look up the BYD uh electronic vehicles, they're cheaper than the Tesla, they have all types of sports cars, SUVs, sedans, coops. It's like night and day, like they have the like you talking about the TVs and the headrest that got in the full on 24-inch screens that could come down from the ceiling, so people in the back can watch TV, you know, connected to the city. But you get it's a little creepy, like it's the technology is there, but yet what we're stuck with is they you know we're being force-fed slop from the current manufacturers and thinking that this is the best we can get. And it's like there's better competition out there, you know, maybe to help you reduce your prices if you allow these other people into the market. And that's I mean, not to get political, it's probably why you know America's mad at uh Canada for letting Chinese manufacturers into car comp auto manufacturers into Canada. It's like you they do close to the front door, you know. We can't have this kind of good quality uh coming into our our country kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

But like Kareem, what was like when you went, what was like your favorite, what was your favorite area? I'm not gonna ask, I'll ask your favorite car, but like what was your favorite area to be in?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:11

Um honestly, I think downstairs are custom cars. Okay, because that was more of an experience um in terms of like the uniqueness of of some of the cars that they had. Um, obviously, stuff like the you know, the engines and the parts and the accessories that they had, it wasn't something that we spent a lot of time on. Again, five-year-old, he just yeah, he turns his head and it's something else that he wants to see. Um, but I think in terms of the uniqueness of the vehicles, that that downstairs area um had a lot. Um in terms of my favorite car, um, I have to reserve that for next year. And the reason why I said that is because again, I have to plan it out because I didn't see every single car. So there was back right side that we didn't get to see, and believe me, I spent over two hours there. Um, and we just didn't get around to everything. There's a a car on the way out. Um I took a picture of it, it was in a glass case. Um I I I wanted to look up more of it, um, but they had this brand. Um no, so it's a website I wanted to check that I took the picture of um cartainers.com that is where they had the cars in those containers. Um and it was like K-A-I-E-R was one of the cars. I don't think I didn't get that in the picture. Um, but on the layout, you would see it when you're trying to exit. Um, they had some beautiful cars there. Uh, you couldn't even get near them. Um, they were in containers.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:50

Yes.

unknown 1:04:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:52

Um, because again, I I love Lamborghinis. I love Ferrari, but I've seen them. Um, they had some beautiful portions there. Um, they had some you know, campers attached to, you know, um pickup trucks that I I took some of those pamphlets, even though I probably won't ever go camping in one of them. It's still just the the idea of the quality of life, you know, type of thing. Like, yeah, we talk on the road. Exactly, exactly. Um, but I I want to see some like cars where it's like because I'm not gonna be able to get a Ferrari. I mean, let's just be honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Um, I mean, you never know. First of all, stop it.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:25

Don't limit, don't, do not limit yourself. I mean, it's not sandwiches. Yeah, but you just you can't put ADC in a Ferrari, so it's not I don't see that happening anytime soon. Um, so it you know, I want to see something that I'm not gonna see on the street um at some point. And you know, you drive around long enough, you're gonna see a Ferrari, you're gonna see a Lamborghini, you're gonna see a neon green Lamborghini last night on the West Side Highway. Yes, I but I did take a ton of pictures of them. Um, so I'm not gonna lie, but I want to see something that I know is like I'm never gonna see this car out there. I'm even Bentley's now. You can see them. Um especially white lanes. Um but I have to go through my pictures again. Uh there was a roadster that I saw downstairs. It's a custom car. Um, I don't know if you can see this picture. Um and you have to excuse the the five-year-olds back. You wanted to be in every picture. Uh this was uh an incredible layout of a car, and it had the um the roof that would would peel back, um, no cover, no trunk, nothing. It's just all car. Um, so that one was gorgeous. Would I ever drive something like that? Absolutely. Yes. Um, why not?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

Stop saying it.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:53

Because let's say you hit a bicycle, the bicycle will win. I'm not gonna drive in the car where a bicycle will win if there was ever a pen depending.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

First off, stop it. Don't limit yourself. There are places, there's a place in New Jersey where you can drive on a track, like certain classic cars and stuff like that. So don't say that you'll never get the chance. Just like, yo, would you own it and use it as an everyday car? No, but to say that you won't ever do it, don't say that. Stop, stop, stop limiting your greatest.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:25

Wait, do you get to drive those those cars on a track, or you gotta sign up someone's car?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

Yeah, probably not that.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:31

No, this is personal property, so they had to sign up that these cars, personal properties, don't touch. Um, so no, you would have to just I don't know, sneak in at night, like your bullseye or something, and you know. But I but I had I had a great time, and it did bring back memories of um going as a kid. Um, I didn't see the family headquarters. I know that was that was there. They did have some guests that were present. Um, like for example, John Starks, uh with the next. I wanted to try to find him, but you know, that didn't happen. Um and so I I I'm absolutely going again next year. Um, I this is something that is now on my calendar again for in the future. Um, and I'll be able to definitely see more next year. Would you do multi-day? I would.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:25

I would. But I think two days most is the max that you would need. Um, just two days because I we'll probably have to do it in spurts. Um, you know, two plus hours, you know, he was a little bit tired. Okay, yeah. He ate, and then he saw that, you know, I want to do this, I want to do that, which is understandable.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

Um but yeah, yeah. I did uh yeah, they had a they had a kids EV driving academy that was on the fourth floor. This is adorable kids drive or something. No, they got to actually literally like get in little. I'm looking at I'm on the way. Yeah, there's like a they had a little track for um you could do the kids could drive a Jeep power wheels, mini Zambonis, Mercedes EPGs, uh-huh, ram trucks, and kid go cars. Oh, and they even have like tiny little Tesla EVs for kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:20

Yeah, nice, nice, nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

It's ridiculous, but adorable.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:25

And that's what I think fine. But next year, next year, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Next year, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna lay it out, you're gonna wait for like the after the first week when like Westchester's on vacation. Um yeah, because that's generally how that works. Okay, if a line, yeah, it does, because normally it's always it's always Easter. Um the first week, like the first few days, like the first like the one week it's always Westchester kids that are there because like they're out of school, and then like the next week it's always like New York City kids that are out of school. So like if you can get in like on like the first day, like when the like that first weekend, where it's like not a lot of people know remember that it's open, you'll be like, Hey, it'll it'll be way less people.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:10

I was gonna ask the code on a week. Yeah, and even like a little mini roller coaster in the front.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

Um, but it was I was gonna ask you if you did the Jeep experience.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:20

The line was very long. Um, but we we were we watched it for a while, we took some pictures, um, but it was pretty cool. Like you go around the loop, you go out the big hill, um, you come down, you go around 250 years, I think it said. So um, yeah, you know, that was pretty cool. You can see that even just driving by the Javis Center, um, the roller coaster. So I don't know what they'll have in the front next year. Um, but I I did have a blast and I'll I'll share the pictures um of the cars, even the old school police cars, old school buses, all that okay. This is my dream car.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:07

Nice. I think what do we we don't have anything currently lined up for next week's episode of three Hub Caggers podcast. Unless you guys do your homework and watch Paradise. But uh, I think next week we can talk about Darth Maul Shadow uh Shadow Lord. Yeah. The first two episodes came out this past week, so we got another two episodes this week. I think they're doing two episodes a week, so it's gonna be a really short uh season. Um, but so far I watched the first two episodes. We'll give you our review, our take on it.